"Are Layoffs at Fairview/University of Minnesota Completely Unrelated to Children's Hospital Wars?"
From MinnPost:
Attorney General: Fairview Embedded Debt Collectors in Hospital
In one case, a child who sought treatment at the University of
Minnesota Amplatz Emergency Room reportedly was kept waiting while the
parents, who were uninsured, met with an Accretive "financial
counselor. The incident prompted the hospital's own employees to question
whether Accretive was violating federal law, which requires emergency
rooms to see patients without such delays."
[this is actually a quote from the Strib - link]
According to the attorney general’s report, Accretive was derisive of
such questions and complaints, even when they came from doctors. "I'm
assuming this is a country club conversation that is getting floated
around,'' an Accretive manager wrote in an e-mail to another employee.
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To make things even worse, it appears that two of the sons of Fairview executives were employed by the embedded debt collection agency.
As described by the Star-Tribune:
Fairview execs had links with debt firm under fire
Two Fairview executives who helped forge a partnership with a debt
collection company under fire for its aggressive tactics have sons who
work for the firm, the Star Tribune has learned.
One of the Fairview officials, Dr. Dave Moen, also owned stock in the
collection firm, Accretive Health Inc. His son, 24-year-old Sam Moen,
works for Accretive and helped implement the high-pressure strategies
that Minnesota Attorney General Lori Swanson blasted this week,
documents show. Fairview's CEO, Mark Eustis, also has a son who works
for Accretive.
Fairview officials now admit that "mistakes were made" by Accretive employees who allegedly hounded patients at its hospitals.
The Eustis and Moen family relationships and Moen's ownership of
Accretive stock were disclosed to the board of directors and vetted
before Fairview signed contracts with Accretive in 2010, Mooty said.
He called Eustis a person of "incredibly high integrity'' who is
deeply loyal to Fairview. The CEO wouldn't let his son's job influence
his management of the Fairview-Accretive relationship, Mooty said.
However, to Prof. David Shultz, a lawyer and ethicist at Hamline
University, the conflicts were severe and not defensible simply because
they were disclosed.
"This is a pretty bad one,'' said Shultz, an expert in business ethics and the governance of nonprofits.
He said Moen and Eustis could have been swayed in their support of
Accretive out of loyalty to their sons, if only subconsciously. Moen's
stock in Accretive, which Fairview didn't disclose in detail, provided
another level of bias, Shultz said.
To what should be no one's surprise, comments on this situation on the Star-Tribune website were scathing:
Ironic that U of M Fairview Hospital engages an Accretive manager named
Crooks to respond to physician complaints about alleged patient
harassment and abusive financial intimidation tactics that may violate
state and federal law. Fairview Hospitals should issue a public
statement apologizing for confirmed misconduct alleged by the Minnesota
Attorney General's office, and promise to refrain from any and all
misconduct in the future. People who are, or thinking about becoming,
contributing donors to the U of M Fairview Amplatz Children's Hospital
may feel compelled to put their contribution pledges on hold unless and
until they are publicly assured by Fairview's attorneys, CEO and board
of directors that patients and their families will be consistently
treated with dignity and respect at all Fairview medical facilities, and
will never be subjected to the despicable financial intimidation
tactics alleged by Attorney General Lori Swanson.
The Star Tribune should check spelling on its copy more carefully. It's not Accretive Health, it's Accretive Wealth.
"Mistakes"? The only "mistake" is that they got caught.
This is not new for Fairview. In 2000, a family member, who had lost a
job and was not sure if they were still covered, was utterly harrassed
by staff regarding payment while a patient.
Another day at the medicine for profit machine.
There seems to be a complete disconnect from Fairview's mission and the
Farivew administrators who signed off on Accretive Health's hapless
collection scheme.
Ya think? You head to the hospital with some broken bones and who meets
you at the door but Tony the Enforcer and a couple of his leg breakers,
acting like they work for some loan shark.
How we've perverted that word, "mistake." Breaking the law when you know are, but think you won't get caught, is not a mistake.
Goon squads like Accretive Stealth are just filling a demand.
Ya gotta love the passivity in the phrasing "Mistakes were made." I
wonder if Fairview executives are similarly unaccountable when they're
upholding their performance to their board at bonus time in asserting,
for example, "Profits were made." As in "We may or may not have had
anything to do with having accumulated them." I'm going to guess their
modesty is a bit less in evidence in those circumstances.
"Mistakes were made", what a load of unmitigated gall and arrogance.
Having looked at Accretive Health's website, I find it almost impossible
to believe that any intelligent, educated person would believe the
claims made.
Fairview is a not-for-profit health system. They are designated and are
promised favorable tax treatment in exchange for a willingness to treat
all patients who come through the door. This episode shows that they
out and out disregard that promise. By doing so, the state and federal
government should strip them of their not-for-profit status and make
them pay taxes on their tremendous revenue.
It's totally an 'oops we got caught' situation where they thought they
could get away with thugs and scheisters strong arming the sick and
vulnerable for money they didn't necessarily owe.
I'm also looking for more info on the incentives held out to the
"embedded" Accretive employees collecting credit card -- and patient --
information at the ER. One instance was getting to throw a pie in a
manager's face if you were the top collector. Is that now open to all of
us Fairview patients? I might put my pie in a concrete shell. It would,
of course, be "a mistake" though.
Golly! I'm shure it's just a coincidence that top executives at Fairview
happened to have sons who worked for Accretive Health. I think it's
time for some resignations.
this situation is just another symptom of the depth of illness that has stricken the American health care industry.
The children of two senior Fairview officials leverage their DNA to
score a sweetheart deal for their employer. Doesn't anyone see a problem
with that?
The Fairview Board seems to be clueless as to how the management
operates. What does it say about their knowledge of the companies
operations if they had to hear about such an abusive program from the
Attorney Generals office ? What does it say about the work culture at
Fairview when its employees seem to be so scared to speak up ? What does
it say about the lack of internal controls at Fairview ?
Now, You' re being warned !! So as soon you get into a Fairview Clinic
and Hospital, beware, Debt collectors with the blessings of Fairview
Executives will be (have been already)using any of your health or
financial data against you to collect any monies. So feel "free" to
speak to a nurse or doctor at Fairview!!!
I am very surprised by the poor judgment by the executives whose kids
worked for Accretive and disappointed that the Board blessed this
arrangement.
Nepotism is nothing new at Fairview. I've been an employee at the
Riverside hospital for 6 years, and nearly every department has issues
with it. Children of managers are given better positions and first dibs
on any openings. I happen to work in the registration department, and
one of our managers happens to be a former managers daughter, her
brother and a girlfriend of a brother constantly switch to better
positions without interviews for other employees.
Accretive was in direct control of our department, we were pushed to
collect as much as possible even though it was known that patient
liability was based off of a rough estimate and that Accretive's
software often gave faulty information. After it was announced that
Accretive would be leaving our direct manager told us to "keep doing
things as we previously were" and that collection amounts were expected
to stay consistent because corporate was keeping an eye on our totals.
Eustis is trying to shift blame to Accretive but Fairview (on multiple
levels) was completely complicit with their practices.
In response to this statement:
Eustis denied that Fairview broke any laws, but acknowledged damage to
its reputation. "This isn't what we're about," he said. "We're here to
provide great service and treat people with dignity and respect every
day, and 99 percent of the time we think we do that."
Respect should begin with your Employees so they can provide great
service. Your employees are the ones providing great service. They find
it very difficult doing this when there aren't enough of them and they
are overworked and disrespected!
Patients are coming into Fairview Hospital under duress and Fairview -
through its collections agent - descends on them like vultures.
Fairview say it was a mistake. It certainly was not an honest mistake.
Shame.
As a physician, Dr. Moen should resign. His case is worse than Eustis, at least the latter doesn't hold Accretive stock.
It's disappointing that Fairview's board of directors is so insensitive
to public opinion and ethical guidelines they approved the incestuous
relationship between its top executives and a shady bill collector.
A hospital that receives taxpayer dollars should not be run like a
payday loan company.
More passive corporate speak and watering down of corporate
crimes..."Mistakes were made..." This statement comes out of
corporations and governments all the time. That way no one has to stand
up and take blame!
"Mistakes were made." The biggest one, of course, was in getting caught.
I agree, this activity can't be explained away with a simple
"oops"...these execs need to be held accountable for their indefensible
actions. A large fine against Fairview, and a couple of terminated execs
at a minimum.
I used to work for Fairview and left because it was the most unethical
company I have worked for. Yes, they broke several laws here. First,
it was a violation of HIPPA for them to release the patient info to the
outside company, secondly it is a violation of the EMTALA law to force
people to pay for emergency treatment before getting treated. How can
the Board not realize this - Fairview crams these laws down the
employees throats so they don't break the law in day to day practice,
but the senior management feels it is OK for themselves to break the
laws. Fairview, you are unethical, and broke the law!!! Time for the
CEO to put on his big boy pants and admit he broke the law. The CEO
needs to be criminally charged!!!
My son went to Fairview Southdale last September for an appendectomy
and my wife was all but coerced to providing a credit card while waiting
for treatment even though we have medical insurance. We were charged
for a guesstimated deductible (which was finally refunded to us 7 weeks
later). I couldn't believe it.
Thank you Lori for looking out for the rest of us. I still don't like that the U of M hospital has been privatized.
Fairview spends big bucks advertising their clinics and hospitals as
better than average. This sorry mess completely negates any good will
they had with many potential consumers. They had lousy billing and
customer service 20 years ago and apparently still have bad billing. I
just retired and was considering changing my clinic and hospital for
convenience. I will not do business with Fairview until the upper
management is changed or apologizes.
This REALLY ticks me off. I am one of those lucky folks who had their
personal information put at risk by these leeches. And now it turns out
they are behind the recent turn towards the Draconian at Fairview??
Beautiful.
Fairview should thank its lucky stars there are some poor fools out
there like me who have regulated insurance that insures I cannot go to
another care system.
The story of Lori Swanson's action against Accretive made the front page
of the NY Times on line this afternoon, and provoked hundreds of
comments. This truly strikes a nerve.
Maybe hospitals could curb their advertising, excessive building upgrades and focus on providing direct patient care.
It is very much illegal for any hospital or clinic to demand money
up-front for services that haven't been given. I have worked in
healthcare for 10 years and that is a HUGE no-no. I've had my own
problems with Fairview's billing practices and illegally balance billing
me for what insurance didn't cover that wasn't part of the co-pay or
deductible. I had to threaten to sue them to make them back down and
hire an attorney to sort it out. I have refused to go to Fairview for
healthcare ever since and I tell everyone I know how deceptive they are.
Fairview tried the same thing on us when doing a "pre-admittance"
information screening regarding my wife's cancer surgery. When they
pushed for prepayment of our portion of the bill ( we are fully insured
with pretty good insurance)and balked when I said I would pay
afterwards, I told them that either they dropped the issue right then or
the next conversation would be with my attorney.
Same thing happened to us last January 2011 - I had to take my son to
the ER for a split lip; in rolled the guy with computer on the tall
wheeled podium. "Here's the estimated charge for today's visit; credit
card please" - they get you when you are vulnerable and this time zapped
almost a thousand bucks out of my credit card. I didn't like the
practice - hadn't even been seen by a physician and here's your bill.
Pay it!
Nice. Glad to see that they've been booted out. Really, I wasn't
inclined to go back and use their ER services again if the need arose
because of that.